both for medicare and social security. so we're saying you can have a good deficit reduction plan that has savings in medicare, but it's important that we protect those who are vulnerable in the middle class, seniors, those on medicaid and we can do that. and one thing i would say about the pledge, there's a lot of talk about the politics and republicans moving, et cetera. the issue here is not politics when we're together. americans support this idea of basic fairness. so when republicans break from the pledge, what they are doing is really just standing up with those people in those districts that support these ideas. and grover norquist makes a lot of noise about how for 20 years, republicans have stood with that pledge. but i would just remind him and others who support this pledge that republicans have not received a majority of the american public in five of the last six elections. so i think if the republican party wants to break out of the strangle hold, look like it's standing up for america, they will come to the